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So I am trying to figure out how to calculate the return on the Sex in the City slot machine with the progressive. Basically I want to find the frequency of the progressive and cost to hit it. Since this game has multiple progressives it's kinda hard to know where to begin.
I understand that it costs $2 for a 4 screen pull, up to $6. Does it make sense to vary bets based on the bonuses?
I understand that it costs $2 for a 4 screen pull, up to $6. Does it make sense to vary bets based on the bonuses?
FleaStiff
Although I have no idea how to analyze slot machines, much less progressive ones and have an awful dread of what mathematical contortions I would have to go through with multiple progressives, I can tell you that the licensing rights would not be cheap and I'd therefore steer clear of anything that was so wildly popular with the public as to be able to command high licensing fees.
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Mission146
So I am trying to figure out how to calculate the return on the Sex in the City slot machine with the progressive. Basically I want to find the frequency of the progressive and cost to hit it. Since this game has multiple progressives it's kinda hard to know where to begin.
I understand that it costs $2 for a 4 screen pull, up to $6. Does it make sense to vary bets based on the bonuses?
I haven't played Sex & The City much, other than just to figure out what it is all about, it's definitely Bonus heavy...it doesn't take long to figure out that the Base Return sucks badly. I don't know anything about a four-screen pull, the game I played only has one screen. If you hit the Bonus, then there's a wheel and a spinner up top which either takes the player to a Bonus Game or lands on one of the five Progressives and pays immediately.
The first question is how often does it hit for Bonus Games. For that you could, 'Deconstruct,' the machine in much the same way that Wizard did with a few different machines, but that is going to be a tedious (and, in this case, costly) process. Even if you did that, you'd still have to figure out the hit frequency of the spinner with respect to the Bonus Games & Progressives, unless you want to assume that all slots are equally weighted, but I seriously doubt if they are.
Then, there's also calculating the Expected Return of all of the different Bonus Games, and I think that some Bonus Games had certain results that could actually result in one of those Progressives being hit, but that could be wrong, I haven't played S&TC in nearly a year or more.
In short, if you're looking for advantage points on those Progressives, my advice is to try a different machine. There are way too many variables, and even if this could be theoretically determined, you'd probably have to play until you hit Bonus Games some 1,000 times to have a reasonable enough sample to even see if the weighting for that spinner is equally distributed.
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Also, even if you determine the advantage points, the Base Return on a penny licensed slot machine is going to be so abysmal, that you're not very likely to ever see those machines at an advantage. Bunch of work and money lost for nothing.Vultures can't be choosers.
beachbumbabs
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I am not a math expert, but I have played that game (longer than I should have to give it a chance to hit), and came away with the strong impression that it was one of the worst-playing messes I've ever wasted money on. There were so many losing combinations with so many symbols, I think they programmed it to only LOOK like it could do something, and they're making money hand over fist on the fondness for the show alone. IOW, what Mission said better above. lol...Administrator
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Beardgoat
Played it with my wife three times and never hit one bonus. It was awful. We always have terrible luck with the hangover machines too. Im not really a big fan of the 4 screen slots
Wizard
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Participation games like that are set to return about 88%, which is pretty low. Given so many progressives on the game, it is safe to assume that it almost never goes positive. My advice for advantage slot players is to look for games with guaranteed progressives and play them when they are close to the 'must hit by' point.Administrator
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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DJ don't get discouraged to fast, certainly the smaller meters get to be positive at times. I have seen smart successful AP's playing them as well as a few hustlers. On some obscure website I seen some numbers posted but didn't really look to see how they arrived at them. someone on vpfree might be able to direct you to it. Perhaps there could be situations that warranted playing them. I do think your time is better off spent on other things.Sex And The City Slot Machine Game
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If I may also add, a Search for 'Quick Hits Platinum,' on this website might prove helpful. What's really nice about those machines is that the probability for all five Progressives IS known as is the minimum base return even possible on those machines. Further, I even called Bally Technologies on one occasion and found that the money that gets added to the Progressive Meter is not reflected in the Base Pays, so there's that, as well.
Boz
My wife plays this game like a fiend and never hit the top progressive ' Mr Big'. I have observed it at the starting of $500 all the way up to over $1300. With the weak base payout and the need to bet $6 to guarantee any progressive, I agree to look elsewhere.
Mission146
My wife plays this game like a fiend and never hit the top progressive ' Mr Big'. I have observed it at the starting of $500 all the way up to over $1300. With the weak base payout and the need to bet $6 to guarantee any progressive, I agree to look elsewhere.
Is that the case on the multi-screen machines? Like I said, I played once just to see how it worked, betting minimum, and I know I hit the lowest Progressive (Charlotte) at one point. That was a single-screen game, though, so they could be different.
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